Paul, Jon, and Liz continue their conversation about discipleship.

"At the heart of discipleship is not just seeing Jesus and becoming like him abstractly, but actually entering into the patterns of his life. One of the central principles of interpretation of the New Testament is that what happens to Jesus happens to us."

"The goal of discipleship is Christ formation."

"You can't separate a teaching gift from the command to love. Otherwise, you've got a machine, and you can't create a discipling machine!"