If you'd like to get an email each time we add an episode, sign up here. This episode begins a new series on Jesus' Passion by looking at how the disciples want to go higher, but Jesus is focused on going lower.

“James and John get their mother to try to get them the number 1 and 2 places in the Kingdom. And the other disciples don’t say ‘You know I don’t think that is Jesus way.’ They are just mad that James and John beat them to it! They are all fighting for the top. But Jesus is remarkably gentle through the whole thing. The disciples are functionally epicureans—hunting for the shortcut across the 'J' of the J-Curve. That’s our natural desire."

"The disciples want suffering-free glory and Jesus says it doesn’t exist."

"One of my favorite phrases from Jesus in Luke 15 is where Jesus says take the lower place. I just love that. There is an act of the will where you take the lower place. You are deciding that you are going to go lower. I just think the opportunities that we have to do that at the big and the small level are enormous. It’s as simple as a moment in conversation at the family table, letting someone else interrupt me so my idea takes the lower place..."