Paul, Jon, and Liz continue their conversation about how Jesus lived, looking at different aspects of the soul and how they relate to one another.

“A common image is the iceberg: getting down to my motivations, which are often opaque even for us. The whole experience of Christian life operates both above and below the waterline."

“When we look at Jesus, we just assume that he wants good things, which is true, but the way that he wants good things is that he desires the will of somebody else. He asks 'What does my Father want?' ”

“Above the waterline is the will. But below the will, below the waterline, is the thing that we love. What loves us and what do we love? What I love shapes what I do and what I want."